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In this episode, I chat with Christine Feenstra, Executive Director of the California Association for Leading Innovation in Education (CALIE)—formerly known as CUE—about the organization’s evolution and rebrand.

Christine shares the why behind the shift, how her team engaged educators and stakeholders throughout the process, and what this change means for the community moving forward. We discuss CALIE’s renewed mission to inspire learning, empower educators, and expand access to professional growth opportunities.

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This transcript was generated using AI transcription tools to support accessibility and provide a searchable, readable version of the podcast. While we’ve reviewed and lightly edited the content for clarity, there may still be occasional errors or omissions.

Catlin Tucker

And so when I heard that CUE was rebranding as CALIE, I wanted to hear more about it. I have so many educators that are very good friends of mine that I have met in this network, and so wanted to have an opportunity to kind of hear about this transition, the rebranding and evolution and kind of what we can all expect for those of us who have been in the CUE organization. And hopefully for those folks who are listening, who are looking for community connection and professional learning. Well, I am really excited to have this conversation, and I’d love for you to start by just kind of first telling us a little bit about how you got connected with the Computer-Using Educators kind of organization. What excited you about this opportunity to lead a rebranding effort?

Christine Feenstra

Yeah, well, that’s a great question. So, I am a career nonprofit association professional. I’ve spent my career in roles at mission driven organizations, primarily associations, designing, programing, overseeing large scale events and really, with a focus on building capacity and community for the, the people that we serve in those associations. And so when I was presented with the opportunity to work, to lead this organization, what was CUE the Computer-Using Educators and is now CALIE. It was a dream role for me because I could immediately see the, the history. You know, CUE has a just a tremendous history where a 44 year old associations and so a lot of history in California, but beyond a really making a tremendous amount of impact in the education and edtech space. But I also saw just so much opportunity, to really work with our, our, our leaders, our members, to make sure that the way we are presenting ourself is reflective of technology today and the amazing work that our members are doing today. And so that’s really what drew me in. And, and that’s how we are here at CALIE.

Catlin Tucker

Very neat. So what aspects of this kind of previous work with organizations and other aspects of your background, do you feel like really prepared you because this is like a huge transformation to take on that you felt positioned you to do this really well for, like you said, an organization that’s been around a long time. I’ve had so many opportunities to be a speaker and a participant, a CUE events, and I know it’s kind of a special group of educators who come together for sure.

Christine Feenstra

Yeah, yeah. So in my prior roles, I’ve had the opportunity to, to participate in several brand evolutions. Nothing quite this large. But, but also to lead really strategic shifts. So I have spent time building out training and consulting programs. And really working directly with volunteers to ensure that the programs that the organization is building meet the needs of the members. So one of the things I love about professional associations is that you are really working on behalf of a group of really passionate, dedicated volunteers that are so passionate about what they’re volunteering for, that they’re giving their time. Right. And so, I had, years of, of working in this capacity. I also spent a great deal of time overseeing large scale events and, and, and working to rebuild community, and organizations. And so I will say, like I said, I think I, I’m very skilled at taking kind of vision and connecting it to execution and seeing sort of beyond, what what you’re just talking about right now and thinking about leading into the future. But this is definitely bigger than anything I’ve done before, and I’ve learned a lot. And it’s been, it’s been an absolute gift. And, and where we are now as CALIE. I couldn’t have imagined it would be this good. It’s so reflective of our members needs, the updated mission vision. And it’s really more than just an updated, name. Right? People think of, like, the kind of window dressing, the cosmetic parts of a rebrand, but it’s really much more. It’s an updated mission and vision.

Catlin Tucker

Right. And so, CALIE, California leading innovation in education, which I love, is definitely like a new name in terms of that vision, the vision and the mission. What did change? Like what did you guys update?

Christine Feenstra

Yeah. Well, so to start, you know, California Association for Leading Innovation in Education, it’s a little bit of a mouthful, but it’s much more clear, I think, than what a Computer-Using Educators is now. These days, we’re a statewide professional community for anyone who supports teaching, learning and innovation in that larger education space. So our members are classroom teachers, coaches, school leaders, administrators, IT professionals, and anyone in that larger education ecosystem that wants to come together to inspire learning. And, we do that through a number of ways. Part of our updated rebranding is a slew of updated member benefits. So, one of the ways we meet this need is all of our members have access to our online professional learning hub, so they have access to asynchronous micro courses and credentials and various learning paths, you know, on demand, right, with their when they join. We also really believe in, working with our members to build future leaders skills. Whether you’re leading in a classroom or you’re leading at a school site. And so we do that through the New CALIE Certified Educator program. And our members are, you know, they’re they’re on the forefront of all technology innovation right now. That might look a little something like, I. Right? Although I wouldn’t say that’s.

Catlin Tucker

Maybe.

Christine Feenstra

A little something about that. Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so and so our leader, our, our members are known for being at that forefront. But part of this work that we’re doing with our rebrand is really, trying to lower the barrier to entry point in participating at CALIE. It used to be with CUE I think that our members were known as being sort of and you probably are aware of this, maybe even experienced this. They’re like, they’re the techie teacher, right? They’re the tech lead that goes they participate acute and they come back to their school site or their district, and they sort of disseminate what they’ve learned. But now we are not using technology. It’s embedded in every space that we’re in. And so, it’s our hope that with this updated branding that will lower the barrier of entry to more educators and be able to impact more students that way, for.

Catlin Tucker

Sure, because hopefully every educator is using computers and devices in some way. Right? If we’re preparing students for the world beyond these classrooms. So when you first stepped into the role, what did you see as the biggest opportunity for CUE and for California educators more broadly, as you kind of thought about all of this?

Christine Feenstra

I love that question. So the biggest opportunity was relevance, really. I think our, you know, educators are craving connection and practical support and different pathways to grow as leaders, both at the again at their schools, but in their community. And again, we weren’t really currently positioned to deliver on that. And so this opportunity was to build out a modern ecosystem where educators don’t just attend a one off event like our flagship Spring CUE event, but they participate in an ongoing way. They stay connected year round through these different new, programs that we’ve delivered. So, the opportunity was to elevate the voice of California educators, and to provide the opportunity to them to really develop their leadership skills and to build this statewide network that really drives changes in California, classrooms and beyond. There’s no other organization that exists in California that is exists solely for teachers. We CALIE is that organization.

Catlin Tucker

Yeah. No. And I love this idea of really helping because I think of teachers as leaders in their classroom. Right, right. And it’s so great if they can access whatever professional learning feels like it works for them, whether they just love the energy and the connection of in-person events or these kind of micro online asynchronous opportunities, but then being empowered to go back and share that learning, whether it’s on a small scope with your PLC or whether it’s on a schoolwide level, really starting to empower educators to lead the learning in their space, whether it’s like a campus or whatever. So I really appreciate that. I think some so often teachers are feel like they have to wait for whatever PD lands on their school site. And so limiting.

Christine Feenstra

And I think that by, you know, continuing to support educators and teachers in their journey on developing these leadership skills, we can then really make a difference on, teacher burnout and retention, right? If they feel like they have those opportunities to learn and grow. And we already know that they’re not being given the time for professional learning, that they really need. Teachers are being asked to lead innovation in their school, but they’re not given the resources to support it. And so CALIE is a very low barrier entry point, I believe. You know, our membership dues are $50, and then you have access to that community and that ongoing professional learning. And so I think, I think it’s coming along at a time that where it’s needed more than ever.

Catlin Tucker

Yeah, for sure. Because when we think about the reality in classrooms and just these increasingly diverse populations of learners that we’re serving, I feel like we all kind of need to be in this moment, learning and sharing and growing and innovating and failing forward and all that stuff, and to have support beyond what might be available on a specific school site or from a particular leadership team, is really, really important right now, for sure. So this is such a huge transition, and I know you guys went through a very thoughtful process involving stakeholders. So I’m curious both for people who might be listening who are in California and they’re like, wait, I totally know what CUE is. And now I’m learning that it’s CALIE. How did this all evolve? But also maybe for education leaders and folks who are listening, who are thinking of some kind of rebrand on their own, like, how did you go through this? What was the process like? What were the biggest challenges and successes maybe you experienced as well? All of that would be interesting.

Christine Feenstra

Yeah, absolutely. I could I could speak on this for a while. So I think, you know, the biggest challenge or hesitation around these, changes were really like the legacy of CUE and the emotion that’s attached to CUE people, people that were aware of the organization loved. CUE right. And they love the name it holds memories. It holds meaning to them. And so I think there was a lot of fear around that. A name change would somehow mean we’re erasing the past and that, that the organization is changing in some way. And so we’ve tried to be really clear that we are not abandoning our roots, that we’re just building on them, that this is an evolution. It’s not just a cosmetic rebrand. It’s really, the work that we did was very thoughtful, and it was really meant to align our strategy, our programing, even just the way people engage with us in a way that better serve, more educators, that more people would, would, would want to participate, this was about impacting more educators and therefore, therefore more students. So it was it was a bigger transformation. But there was a lot of emotion around that. We spent about four months conducting interviews with various stakeholders. We spoke to former members and current members and our partners and our affiliate leaders. We did surveying and, focus groups and really, you know, listened and held those conversations and then took all that back together and, and use that information to sort of inform the path forward. And it really does come, down to you through all these conversations. Everyone, everyone really kind of agreed that the language we were using didn’t reflect the work that was being done by our members. And, and so that point was that part was a little bit easier deciding on how we would update the language. And, and you know, what our updated mission and vision would be. That was a little trickier. But what’s so funny is it came down to it’s to inspire learning colleagues. It’s to inspire learning. That’s what all of our members are doing. Whether you are in the classroom or you’re leading a school site, you’re you’re there for that kind of common purpose.

Catlin Tucker

I love that. So you’ve spoken to this a little bit. But like for you what is the broader vision of what CALIE can become for California state educators. Like obviously there you’ve rebranded and there are these pieces in place. But for you, is there kind of more that you’re envisioning in this kind of evolution?

Christine Feenstra

Yeah, absolutely. So we really envision CALIE as being the statewide hub for innovation in education. And that’s what CUE has become, has been in the past. And so it’s this place where, you know, like minded educators come together to grow, to lead and to influence change, not just, you know, at a large collective level, but at a local level, at their district that their districts, at their schools. And so we will do this by elevating the voices of educators and providing those opportunities for them to learn and collaborate across regions, and to continue to lead conversations around technology. And so we really think that, through all of this work, CALIE will continue to be the edge that educators need as we are, you know, facing some really big challenges in education and, that their participation at CALIE will help give them the, you know, the sort of like, support that they need as they face them.

Catlin Tucker

And I’m assuming when you guys were doing this, you were really kind of pinpointing a lot of those challenges for your the team, the folks needing this. What were those challenges that you’re like right now in California and then beyond, obviously have a ton of people who listen to this podcast who are outside of the state. What were some of those big challenges that you’re like, we as an organization, as you go through a rebrand, really need to keep our eye on these things because it’s what teachers are struggling with right now.

Christine Feenstra

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for that question. And just to clarify, our members are across the nation too. I think some can be a little confused. We are definitely here to support California educators. There are 400,000 educators in California, but we have members across the nation, and we actually have members outside of the United States as well. Oh, wow. Yeah, I know, it’s it’s, people are, you know, really are known for being that space for collaboration, I believe. And that exists outside of the United States. Some of the things that we really paid attention to and thought about were that educators don’t need at tools necessarily anymore. There’s sort of no, there’s no limit to the different tools that are available, but they are. So they’re provided often with the tools, but they aren’t provided with the sort of support and ongoing support and ongoing professional learning to use those tools effectively. And so we really see that this organization is the CALIE is the space where you can come back together and learn from each other so that we can try to build a bit more consistency. I think I right, I would say a little thing called I, it’s one example of a huge challenge that is, you know, permeating the education ecosystem kind of regardless of how you feel about it, if you’re a classroom teacher and you’re terrified of it, or if you’re a classroom teacher that’s really, you know, embracing it, by coming together and participating at this collective level, I think we can build out more consistency in how AI is implemented throughout the state. I have a, you know, a friend, Julia Phalen, who’s the executive director of the state, EdTech Directors Association. And she uses this great scenario that I love, that, you know, I don’t love the scenario, but I love the example she provides. But, you know, with AI in particular, we’re seeing these huge discrepancies in how it’s being implemented that are no longer just district to district or school to school. It’s literally classroom to classroom, right. And the inequities that creates and the barriers that creates for students, you know, you’re algorithmically assigned to one class or another, and one teacher is embracing it and using it to reduce barriers to the learning. And the teacher over here says, nope, I’m not doing it. And in fact, we’re getting rid of our Chromebooks and we’re taking out, you know, pencils like, oh my gosh, you’re all cheating, right? And so I think through our work at CALIE, we have the opportunity to again, it’s a low barrier entry point. Those that are just needing those foundational skills and understanding around AI. We have an AI Leadership Academy that addresses that. But beyond, you know, just the programs that we offer participating at that collective level. The more teachers learn from each other and hear from each other about how they are, how they are navigating this seismic shift, I think, the benefit will be we’ll see that benefit and the, the sort of education students are receiving.

Catlin Tucker

Yeah. And I think, you know, when I exploded, it reminded me so much of the edtech boom. And this, like, bursting at the seams with new AI powered everything, just like all of the tech tools that exploded, you know, after the iPhone became something we all carried around. And it’s like sometimes that link between, to your point, the tool and like the practice, the pedagogy, like why, why are we using this tool? What is it in service of how can we use it to create more equitable learning experiences and remove barriers? It’s like that piece. Unless teachers have access to a robust professional learning network or learning opportunities, it’s really hard to one like know what’s out there that we might want to use, but then also be like, how should I be using this? What are like the best practices for using a tool like this?

Christine Feenstra

Right. And if you’re already being tasked with so much, you’re already being asked to do more with less. And then you come in and you are told, here’s another tool and you aren’t given the opportunity to really learn how to use it effectively and to, and to question how to use it to right, to, to make sure that it makes sense for your practice. It’s only going to widen the gap, right? Because then people are just going to shut down. You know, AI is here. Students have to be trained on how to use it effectively and ethically. And that has to begin with teachers knowing how to use it first. Right. And then what we see too. Right. And I know I’m probably, you know, I’m preaching to the choir here for your audience, but it’s like, then you see teachers, what’s being reported now is like, oh, no, teachers are using AI. They’re using it for themselves. But then they’re not letting students use it, or they’re not allowed to let students use it. Right? So it’s, you know, do as I say as I do situation. And again, so I think it just has to start with that, with that foundational knowledge around, what AI is and what it isn’t and how it can be used effectively. And, and, the community at CALIE is, is perfect for, for that purpose.

Catlin Tucker

Yeah, I love that. So you have mentioned a few like we have the AI Academy as well as the full name.

Christine Feenstra

Yeah. So we are in our second year of our AI Leadership Academy leadership. This is a eight month cohort based, training program. It’s it’s virtual and, largely asynchronous, but we meet monthly. And this is a great place for anyone who is interested in, you know, kind of leveling up and, and their foundational understanding of how I can be used back in their practice and their school practice. So we’ve had great success with this. We’ve had, you know, many classroom teachers, but also many, administrators who have participated. We had people participate in it that we thought, well, wait, don’t you know more about AI than we do? But because it’s so well rounded and covers so many of the foundational topics that you need just to start having these conversations, I think it’s been it was very well received. And then we also just recently launched our Cal Poly Certified Educator program, and that too, is a cohort based model, that culminates in a capstone project. And that is really meant for educators who are interested in really building out their leadership capacity. And that doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re trying to leave the classroom and move into an administrative position. It could being that it certainly could it would be it would be useful for that to also just be like we talked about like you want to have those leadership skills in your classroom. And that was also like, as I say, a five month cohort based program, virtual and also asynchronous.

Catlin Tucker

All right. So there’s cohorts and then there’s the micro kind of just choose something almost like a buffet of professional learning, right. Like I want to do a little dive into this. And then you have your big event. So for anybody who’s never like attended one like tell us a little bit about those.

Christine Feenstra

Yeah. So we are I think most people many people know us for spring. CUE which is our flagship conference now powered by CALIE. Spring CUE is held every March and Palm Springs, and this is where we gather together for two and a half to almost three days of, you know, learning and connection. I think you said at the top that it’s a very unique conference, and I absolutely second that again, as someone who has spent my career facilitating, professional learning and events and large conferences across many different industries, I have the CUE the Spring CUE conference. Immediately, I realized immediately it was very unique. Yeah. And then I’ve also spent the last year attending other ed tech conferences, and it’s very unique to that as well. And I really do think that has a lot to do with the community and, and that intentional community that’s been built and fostered over years and that, that remains the same. This year, we’ve actually and, combined forces with the Steam Symposium in California. So we’re hosting the Steam symposium within, and we have some other really exciting announcements coming up here in the next month as well.

Catlin Tucker

Very cool. So I have to imagine, because one of the things that I have noticed about the Fall CUE and the Spring CUE kind of events is you see so many of the same faces that have been just going to these events for years and years. There’s so much community. The educators who attend are so excited to learn and share. Like you are. So the the vibe at one of these events is very, very unique. But there has to be people to your point earlier that like nobody likes change, right? Changes uncomfortable. It’s like, what does this mean? So for the educators who have been in the organization, they do have that just like diehard love for CUE who might be like pushing back or saying, gosh, why does this need to happen? Like, what kind of messaging do you have for them to kind of keep them pulled in and like, excited to kind of go on this evolution and journey? And be part of CALIE.

Christine Feenstra

Yeah. I mean, I think the message really is that these changes were brought about, so that more people just like you, if I’m talking to someone that has that feeling, more people like you have opportunity and access to experience what you experienced when you first found CUE when you first attended spring? CUE the updated branding and the language we used to reflect the work that all our amazing members are doing is really intentional. No one is using a we’re not we’re not technology using right computer using educator. That’s that’s all educators. So our updated wording in our in our in our in the way we talk about the work we’re doing, but also in the name in itself is really meant to be reflective of the larger education ecosystem. And with that, the intent is that more people become aware of the organization and then more people, more educators participate, and then more students are impacted. So and, and I, you know, trust me, we understand change is hard and, are so mindful of that and are working. We have an amazing board of directors that is also very mindful of that. All of them care deeply about this organization and, and are really guiding us as we implement these changes to ensure that we keep that community that is so central to our history and that we were just able to expand it a bit going forward so that more people have access.

Catlin Tucker

I love that. Well, is there anything else? Before I ask my final question that you would want to share about this updated branding visioning reality? With folks listening, I would just say.

Christine Feenstra

That if you’ve ever been interested in the work that we’re doing at CUE or what it’s like to participate at CUE, I really encourage you. Now is the time. CALIE is for all educators and we really are that community that we believe all educators need to continue this incredibly important and sometimes very challenging work and what could be perceived as very challenging times. And, with all the uncertainty in the world, with all the uncertainty in the education space, CALIE can be that hub for educators where they can connect and find their people. I cannot tell you how many conversations I’ve had with people over the last two years where they’ve said, oh, you know, this is where I found my people. This is where I learned, this is where I remembered why I started teaching. This is where I remembered, you know, what my purpose is or this is how I, I decided to stay teaching. This is where I, my met my best friend. Associations really do have the the power to build that connection in that space. And we are that space. CALIE is that space in California.

Catlin Tucker

I will share because that’s so true. I was kind of an outlier on my school campus. In the early stages of my work with technology and blended learning. I just didn’t have anybody, you know, I had friends on my campus, people I totally adored as colleagues, but nobody who is really pushing those boundaries and experimenting and quite thing failing quite frequently. But I could I’m part of it. All right. 100%. But it would have been nice to be able to, like, fail, forward and then go into somebody’s room and be like, hey, I did this. And it didn’t work. And like, what do you think? And instead it very much was the other people that I met when I got into the CUE ecosystem where I was just like, oh my gosh, there’s other like super excited, like educators who are trying crazy things. And, I’m learning so much from them. Like, I just think about all of the relationships I’ve had with them, people in this space because of CUE for 20 years now. So I think it’s exciting that this may offer more educators that opportunity to connect, especially if they happen to be on a campus where they are feeling a little isolated in the things that they’re trying and the things you’re excited about.

Christine Feenstra

And yeah, and I think, you know, again, participating at Cal, you have the opportunity to really influence the future of how education takes place in California by being that kind of convener of both, you know, the classroom teacher, the school administrator, the IT team, all in one space. It’s really our goal that we can kind of affect the entire ecosystem so that, you know, this isn’t done. This work isn’t done in silos. Right. And so when you are a teacher or a, a coach at a school where you maybe don’t necessarily feel like you have that support or inspiration, you can come to, to CALIE and, and, you know, really be part of the changes of the future and really move things forward. I think many of our school, California’s school leaders, participate at CUE or started at CUE and still participate at CUE or now CALIE. Yeah, they take a while even for me to do that, to change that.

Catlin Tucker

Well, and I feel like I’m just learning on the podcast today that like anybody anywhere can join, which I think is amazing in my mind because of, you know, California Computer-Using Educators is always how I’ve thought of CUE in my brain. I wasn’t thinking that it could be this totally, like accessible organization for people in other states who might not have something like this at their disposal as well.

Christine Feenstra

Yeah, absolutely. Because all of these resources are so inconsistent across the world. Right? We I, one of my team members messaged me earlier this morning, so we have a group of people coming from China to the spring conference this year. Wow. You know, we it was like, wow, that’s incredible. How did they find out about it? So yeah, we we are we open our doors to everyone and, we’re definitely not just for the California educator. It is for all educators.

Catlin Tucker

That’s wonderful. So what? I know you guys have a website like where can people learn more, connect? Is there even like a social media space where you plan to be, like a presence for people to kind of connect and learn between these kind of events?

Christine Feenstra

Yeah. So, our website is Join CALIE Dawg, and you can see all of our updated professional learning opportunities there. And you can also learn about the spring conference. Again, CALIE membership is $50 a year. And all of our professional learning programs, we also offer monthly payments because we know in these, you know, challenging financial times, that districts are cutting back on professional learning. And oftentimes it’s it’s falling to the individual to support. So we do offer that option as well. And, and we are our socials are joined CALIE. We are in the process of trying to kind of but we were just talking I was just talking to me today about, you know, the and I’m sure I’m sure you participated in the, the Ed chats on Twitter before you came across. Right. And how important that was to people and what a benefit it was to people and how much, people really looked forward to that. So working to revisit some form of that in the future here. And, I would really say that if it’s at all possible, attend the spring conference. Definitely one people don’t want to miss. And that’s March 19th through 21st in Palm Springs.

Catlin Tucker

Yeah, I know it’s such a fun conference, very like re-energizing for anybody who might need that and can get there.

Christine Feenstra

Yeah, I think it’s described as you know, it’s in March. Right. So it’s like you’re almost at the finish line. You go to the you go to the spring conference, you get reenergized. You spend time with your community and then you can go back and finish out the year.

Catlin Tucker

Yeah. And if you are, in a colder part of the country and just sick of winter, Palm Springs is a wonderful place to be. In March, I will say that.

Christine Feenstra

We have so many Canadians that participated in our conference.

Catlin Tucker

I believe it, I’m sure they’re just like, oh my gosh, I’m so done with this winter. Well, I always end the podcast with, the kind of the same question for gas, which is about balance. And that’s the name of the, the show. And so is there anything for you? I mean, you I can’t imagine how busy you are leading, change like this with all the moving pieces. What for you helps you strive for a healthier kind of work life balance. Is there, like a mindset or routine or something that works for you?

Christine Feenstra

I love this question. I always love when you ask this question. You know, I could say I meditate and I journal and I try to do all those things and it does help, but I’m not that faithful at it when it comes to stressful times like this right now. But what does keep me balanced and what I do, and always pay attention to is, is my son. I have a 17 year old, almost 18 year old son. And, you know, he comes home from school still really excited to see me. I work from home, and, there’s I will sometimes think, oh, no, no, I gotta keep working. I gotta get, you know, but, remembering that this time is fleeting, that I’m in the probably final few months of living with him full time forever. Well, I don’t know. I’m sure an older parent. Hello. Well, that’s what you think? Yeah. He might be back, at least for a while. Yeah. And so just remembering that time is fleeting, has definitely kept me balanced the last few months, for sure. And just trying to soak up every minute I can with him.

Catlin Tucker

I absolutely love that. I just drove my oldest to, to college and dropped her off and I’m like, oh my gosh. And now I have a 16 year old son who’s my last in the house. And I feel the same way. The days fly by, the months fly by. And I just have these moments where I’m like, connect, be present, ask the questions, eat dinner together. Like, it’s going to be gone before I know it.

Christine Feenstra

Like nothing is more important than that. And so just reminding myself of that every day. Yeah.

Catlin Tucker

I love that. Well thank you I appreciate you coming on and kind of sharing. Yeah. It’s exciting to kind of spread the word about CALIE and anybody looking for those, the URLs or socials. There is an E on the end just in case, you know, to follow the whole acronym. And I will include all that in the show notes for anybody looking. And, again, just really appreciate your time. Thank you for having me. So excited to be able to kind of hear about the vision of this transformation of CUE to CALIE, really kind of getting to hear about what the goal is, what with this shift really having CALIE expand professional learning opportunities for educators, whether it’s joining a cohort or doing a micro PD online, asynchronous, course, or whether it’s coming to one of the events and getting to just enjoy the energy and the people at Spring CUE and this idea of amplifying the work of educators and really empowering them with the skills to lead change in their schools, in their whatever ecosystems they belong to and I’m I’m really impressed by this idea that we want to retain that history, the roots that are CUE, because there’s so much wonderful history there. There’s so many people in this organization who are incredibly energized, and excited about the possibilities of, you know, AI and technology, but just, you know, good instructional practices who have been part of this community. And really just using CALIE as a way to continue to build and elevate and develop this organization so it can better serve larger numbers of educators, because we need community in this moment to navigate the challenges that so many of us face in education. I’m going to include the information for anybody who wants to explore CALIE, check out information about the spring event or just other opportunities to learn through this organization. CatlinTucker.com I hope you guys have a wonderful rest of your week.

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